Comments on: Two-tiering: The Demise of Unions? http://blog.lifecourse.com/2010/03/two-tiering-the-demise-of-unions/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss Neil Howe's Generational Blog Thu, 12 Jan 2012 00:37:00 +0000 hourly 1 By: peggy http://blog.lifecourse.com/2010/03/two-tiering-the-demise-of-unions/comment-page-1/#comment-5374 peggy Sat, 10 Sep 2011 18:39:00 +0000 http://blog.lifecourse.com/?p=405#comment-5374 my believe is that he is going to be re-elected my believe is that he is going to be re-elected

]]> By: mertyme http://blog.lifecourse.com/2010/03/two-tiering-the-demise-of-unions/comment-page-1/#comment-2646 mertyme Fri, 05 Mar 2010 17:43:33 +0000 http://blog.lifecourse.com/?p=405#comment-2646 Good points Patrick. But -- in those examples you give, I see hancock and washington working towards a massive solution to the problem, making tough decisions, austere measures (at times) and the willingness to take a hit on their own businesses to find a solution. (I admittedly don't know much about James II and Elizabeth's actions during those 4T.) These traits seem to match what Howe has written about the Nomads: that they are the ones that buckle-down, make the tough calls, and will bring us through a crisis. If Obama is a truly a nomad Gen-Xer, his behaviour thus far does not seem to match the archetype.<br><a href="http://blog.ericmerten.com" rel="nofollow">blog.ericmerten.com</a> Good points Patrick. But — in those examples you give, I see hancock and washington working towards a massive solution to the problem, making tough decisions, austere measures (at times) and the willingness to take a hit on their own businesses to find a solution. (I admittedly don't know much about James II and Elizabeth's actions during those 4T.) These traits seem to match what Howe has written about the Nomads: that they are the ones that buckle-down, make the tough calls, and will bring us through a crisis. If Obama is a truly a nomad Gen-Xer, his behaviour thus far does not seem to match the archetype.
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]]> By: dsohigian http://blog.lifecourse.com/2010/03/two-tiering-the-demise-of-unions/comment-page-1/#comment-2630 dsohigian Fri, 05 Mar 2010 00:59:13 +0000 http://blog.lifecourse.com/?p=405#comment-2630 @Patrick Bowman - great points. Looking further back it does seem like<br>Nomads are more the norm. It will be interesting to see who continues to<br>lead as we head further into the 4T. Of course the Prophets (Boomers)<br>currently control the legislature and this is likely to continue through<br>most of the 4th Turning. @Patrick Bowman – great points. Looking further back it does seem like
Nomads are more the norm. It will be interesting to see who continues to
lead as we head further into the 4T. Of course the Prophets (Boomers)
currently control the legislature and this is likely to continue through
most of the 4th Turning.

]]> By: Patrick Bowman http://blog.lifecourse.com/2010/03/two-tiering-the-demise-of-unions/comment-page-1/#comment-2629 Patrick Bowman Thu, 04 Mar 2010 23:53:37 +0000 http://blog.lifecourse.com/?p=405#comment-2629 The idea that Prophets are in charge during a Crisis seems to be less supported than people think, perhaps because of looking at a small sample size of 3 4Ts (WWII, ACW, American Revolution), one of which is an acknowledged "anomaly". Hancock and Washington in the American Revolution, James II in the Glorious Revolution, and Elizabeth I with the Spanish Armada are all Nomads. The idea that Prophets are in charge during a Crisis seems to be less supported than people think, perhaps because of looking at a small sample size of 3 4Ts (WWII, ACW, American Revolution), one of which is an acknowledged “anomaly”. Hancock and Washington in the American Revolution, James II in the Glorious Revolution, and Elizabeth I with the Spanish Armada are all Nomads.

]]> By: mertyme http://blog.lifecourse.com/2010/03/two-tiering-the-demise-of-unions/comment-page-1/#comment-2624 mertyme Thu, 04 Mar 2010 18:23:04 +0000 http://blog.lifecourse.com/?p=405#comment-2624 So, is it certain that Obama is a Nomad / Gen-X ? I was discussing this with my wife, and she brought up an interesting point: all we know about Obama is what he has written himself, which might include his birth certificate (indirectly, of course.) He may not actually be a Gen-Xer for all we know. Interesting. <br><br>But..I'm still puzzled. When GW was chosen, it wasn't a disproportionately large population of Prophet generation doing the choosing. Maybe the Boomer generation isn't as self-serving as people have written if they will choose someone out of their generation to lead them. Any thoughts on why this would be? So, is it certain that Obama is a Nomad / Gen-X ? I was discussing this with my wife, and she brought up an interesting point: all we know about Obama is what he has written himself, which might include his birth certificate (indirectly, of course.) He may not actually be a Gen-Xer for all we know. Interesting.

But..I'm still puzzled. When GW was chosen, it wasn't a disproportionately large population of Prophet generation doing the choosing. Maybe the Boomer generation isn't as self-serving as people have written if they will choose someone out of their generation to lead them. Any thoughts on why this would be?

]]> By: dsohigian http://blog.lifecourse.com/2010/03/two-tiering-the-demise-of-unions/comment-page-1/#comment-2616 dsohigian Thu, 04 Mar 2010 14:47:19 +0000 http://blog.lifecourse.com/?p=405#comment-2616 @Eric, I agree that it is somewhat surprising that we elected a "Nomad" at the start of a crisis. The only other precedent for this was George Washington (also a Nomad) at the start of the Revolutionary crisis. Both the 4th Turnings of the Civil War and WWII saw Prophets in charge (Lincoln and FDR respectively). @Eric, I agree that it is somewhat surprising that we elected a “Nomad” at the start of a crisis. The only other precedent for this was George Washington (also a Nomad) at the start of the Revolutionary crisis. Both the 4th Turnings of the Civil War and WWII saw Prophets in charge (Lincoln and FDR respectively).

]]> By: Eric http://blog.lifecourse.com/2010/03/two-tiering-the-demise-of-unions/comment-page-1/#comment-2595 Eric Wed, 03 Mar 2010 14:52:35 +0000 http://blog.lifecourse.com/?p=405#comment-2595 So, does this mean that Barry Soetoro aka Barak Obama is our first Gen-X president? I'm surprised (based on your writings and the general selfishness of the boomer generation) that they would elect a Gen-X president at this time. Your thoughts? So, does this mean that Barry Soetoro aka Barak Obama is our first Gen-X president? I'm surprised (based on your writings and the general selfishness of the boomer generation) that they would elect a Gen-X president at this time. Your thoughts?

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